Interview
Genius in the Shadows
Walter Murch on THX 1138 and other visions of the future

by Jason Gibner

To many filmgoers, the name Walter Murch means nothing. Despite having won multiple Academy Awards and having been nominated several times, Murch is not a household name. Nor is he a relic: He was nominated for his work on last year’s Cold Mountain.


Murch remains relatively unknown because of the quality of his work. Editing and designing sound for legendary films such as The Godfather Part II and Part III, Apocalypse Now, The English Patient, American Graffiti and The Conversation has required him to stay in the background. Think about it—if a filmgoer is jolted out the viewing experience by editing that calls attention to itself, then the editor has failed. The job of the editor or sound mixer is to contribute to a single cinematic moment. While some of his fellow late-’60s graduates of the California film school era—Lucas, Coppola or Spielberg—now are known by last name only, Walter Murch has happily stayed in the shadow and quietly perfected his art. His book In the Blink of an Eye (Silman-James Press, first published in 1995) explains his views on the aesthetics and issues of movie-making and is required reading for many film students.
His first major project, THX 1138, is being released in a new director’s cut version on DVD and on the big screen in 20 theaters across America this month, including the State Theater in Ann Arbor. Because the film was unavailable for over thirty years, this new version, with special effects and increased size and scope, will be many viewers’ first experience with THX 1138.


The film began as 10-minute student project written by Murch and film maker Matthew Robbins and directed by some young guy who was the star of University of Southern California’s graduating class named George Lucas. After forging an alliance with a fellow named Francis Ford Coppola and forming an underground film studio named American Zoetrope, the students made a feature-length version of the short. Warner Bros., betting on the promising talent of the recent grads, agreed to finance and distribute the film. The future for THX 1138 looked bright. But not one person at the studio knew anything about the film, and after executives saw the cold, sterile, depressing science-fiction world of THX, the studio demanded its money back and doomed the visionary movie to limited release as a double-feature B movie.


Murch’s talent as both a sound designer and editor radiates in the film. When the character of THX (played by Robert Duvall) is tortured by chrome-faced policemen, every painful zap of their electric sticks bolts through the ears and minds of the audience. As THX suffers through a mental breakdown at his high-stress job, the screen rapidly cuts back and forth from our hero and those keeping a close eye on his downfall, placing us directly into his flash of madness. Murch’s expert work draws us into an incomparable science fiction world. Soft-spoken, insanely intelligent and constantly witty, Murch was as much as a pleasure to speak with as his films are to watch.

Ann Arbor Paper: How did your passion for film develop?
Walter Murch: Well, I was fifteen and I’d gone to the typical number of films that a boy growing up in New York would have gone to. Then I saw a film called The Seventh Seal by Bergman. I remember coming out of the theater just being dumbstruck by the idea that someone had actually made this film. That was something I had never thought of before. I suddenly realized that is was actually people making these films. That idea kind of percolated around in my head for a while then I realized that was the direction I wanted to go towards. I knew that was what I wanted to do.


A2P: Do you feel that film school is still essential for today’s young filmmakers?
WM: Yeah, I think it is. In general for most people who are interested in this, it’s the best way to go. You learn about all the different areas. You have to write, direct, edit, record sound. Most importantly, you are forced to find where your interests lie. Maybe you’ll find that film school isn’t for you and you want to do something else. At least you’ll be able to find that out.


A2P: Well, I went to art school and here I am interviewing you. . .
WM: Exactly.


A2P: What was the genesis of THX 1138?
WM: It started as the student film. We were just trying to figure out how to make something interesting out of nothing. We had no money, and because of the rules, had to shoot it within a half a mile of the film school. So we looked around at what was there and came up with this idea for a sterile kind of science fiction atmosphere and to have this guy trying to escape it. The joke was when he emerged into the outside, there was nothing there. Some kind of nuclear explosion has destroyed everything so everyone has retreated underground. Basically, it was an opportunity to shoot people running around. In 1969, when George [Lucas] and I started to work on the feature-length version of the film, we wrote a back story of the whole thing. Who is this person and why is he trying to escape?


A2P: The reaction of critics, audiences and the studio was far from being warm. Did this come as a surprise?
WM: In retrospect, sure it was a surprise. The funny thing about it is they approved the script and we filmed that same script. It’s like if you go into a restaurant knowing what a hamburger is and order a hamburger. Then when the hamburger is brought out in front of you, saying that this thing is not a hamburger. We knew what we were making was strange but we thought it would find an audience out there. We were just as surprised as they were that they didn’t like it.


A2P: The sound work in THX 1138 is so important, it could almost be called one of the characters in the film. What were some of the ideas behind the creation of some of these sounds?
WM: We were making a film about an imagined future, so with not having much money, we thought we could create this future through sound. The problem with every science fiction film up until then was that everything was always new. This is where George really came up with his concept of a used future. In terms of the production design, everything was done with used and abused props and locations. So we decided not to use any kind of electronic-based sounds. Everything we used was a distorted or manipulated organic sound of some kind.


A2P: Lucas states that the film is how he saw the world at the time of its release in 1971. How do you think the film will translate for those watching it for the first time in 2004? Do you think the film has aged well?
WM: I think it has. A good example of this is that this is the first film ever to put lots of TV monitors in every shot. Almost every scene is filled with some flashing static screens in them. Now every single newscaster is surrounded by blinking television sets. In 1970, nobody had seen anything like that before. The hologram televisions used by the characters in the film have a violence channel, a sex channel, a news channel. Now that’s the way it is. People will find that more familiar today than they did in 1970.


A2P:
One thing I took away is how all the characters are dependent on pills to keep their lives normal. That didn’t exist then at the level it does today.
WM: Yeah, everybody’s on Prozac these days. In THX, it’s a society where everyone takes these pills so they can work these lifeless office jobs. What happens is two people decide to stop taking these pills and we find out what happens. And that’s scary. People seeing the film today will either think, “Well, so what?” or think that we were very observant guys back then.


A2P
: Have you seen the new version of the film?
WM: Yes, I have.


A2P:
What do you think of some of the special effects added and changes that have been made?
WM: When we shot the film, there was no money at all. There was no money to shoot any kind of wide shot and show any kind of size. We were not able to pay people for the amount of extras we needed for a couple scenes. When George went back to the film a couple years ago, he was able to do some of the things we always meant to do and were not able to afford. I think it’s great he was able to do that.

A2P: In your book, In the Blink of an Eye, you talk about a far-away future in which films can be made on a computer by a single person featuring only digital actors. That future seems closer than ever. How do you feel about this?
WM: I have mixed feelings. Digital technology is a mixed blessing. I look at the technology as enabling things to move in contrary directions. The whole thing is about looking more and more realistic. Pixar, for example, has control over everything in the frame. It’s all pixels. They can change whatever they want at any time. George is doing the same thing with his Star Wars films. That truly is the child of digital technology and film. On the other hand, you have these “film in a day” adventures. Films shot in digital video at 8 a.m., edited at 3 p.m. and screened at 8 p.m. That’s something that’s completely at the whim of whatever happens. At one hand is more control on film and at the other there is little control and both have great appeal.

A2P: Film is just as important of an art form as painting and classical music were a hundred years ago. Yet neither of those have the same cultural impact they used to. Do you think film could suffer the same fate? How do you think that could happen?
WM: It could happen through a fatal flaw within itself, the hint being too much control being given to a single person. Here the problems of digital filming come into play. If you fall into the black hole of yourself and your vision becomes too private, no one will understand it. That’s what happened to painting and that’s what happened to opera, and that’s what could happen to film. It won’t happen for a long time, but it could happen

.
A2P: I’d hate to see that happen.
WM: I would too, but knowing history, it will. Some form of video games and the Internet combined with movies will probably start to show up, which we aren’t that far from now. We can’t forget about how rich film’s past is. People always talk about how great films were in the ’70s, and yeah, lots were good, but lots were just terrible. Now we just watch the ones that have lasted. A2P
THX 1138 opens September 10 at the State Theater.


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